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a conversation about how to redust our deficit let's have that. we've been having that nor the last two years. we just had an entire campaign about it. by the way the american people agreed with me that we should reduce our deficits in a balanced way that takes into account the need for us to grow this economy. martha: bob beckel is former democratic campaign manager and cohost of the five. mary katherine ham is editor at large and fox news contributor. why do you think it was so testy yesterday? >> obama's best form is not necessarily a press conference which is why he does than do many of them. i which he was testy for one real reason. the republicans trying to take the full faith and crucify the united states currency and putting it at fist being. i'd invoke the 14th amendment, we'd problem below know that if we spent more time with the republicans wasting time on the floor of the house. i thought he ought to raise it and to hell with congress. martha: we talked to stewart varney and kirsten said in that sound byte, this isn't about default, people don't think we aren't going to pay the debt o
, and a deficit of $1.4 trillion to $1.6 trillion per year. we're spending $1.6 million per year than we're bringing in. >> you've accused the president of using scare tactics. what do you mean by that? do you think he's lying about what could happen? >> the thing is, you know what, first of all it's not congress that determines if we default. it's the treasury so i guess that would be secretary timothy geithner if he's still there. it would be the treasury that would decide but we have enough money to pay the interest on our debt, i believe it's $2.5 trillion comes into the treasury every year. that's enough money to pay the interest on the debt. we're not going to cut off payments to seniors on their social security and medicare, and then the military -- >> you saw what happened the last time when we argued about the debt ceiling. our credit rating was downgraded. that is partisan gridlock. >> that is a massive amount of debt. >> it was because of partisan gridlock. >> i disagree. >> and congress not being able to get its act together. we've seen what can happen. >> congress needs to g
of the debt ceiling, but because they want a credible deficit reduction plan, and the president doesn't seem to be interested in actually coming up with a credible way to deal with the amount of spending we are doing in this country. bill: if that is the says, doyoo many me, do you think it can get through the senate. >> i imagine harry reid under the direction of the president will try to block these things. i'm going to continue to cosponsor senator haopl me's plan. we have a spending problem in this country. they know it in wyoming, families have to balance their budget every year. many states do. we do in wyoming. it's time for this senate and the house and the president to get serious about limiting our spending and specifically the wasteful spending that continues. in the last hour stewart varney and martha talked about some of the abuses that continue to go on. people know that their tax dollars are being wasted. we need to get the spending under control. bill: two days ago brit hume told us this will be bloody, this battle. will it? >> the future of our country is at stake here and t
the debt and deficit and don't worry about it, it will work itself down the line and don't worry about the mounting debt and deficit. >> that's then and this is now. a debt as you pointed out 16.4 trillion dollars and rising constantly. we need a restraint on that debt. we cannot let it run away constantly. the and the debt ceiling is a restraint. what the democrats want is a blank check. i'm not sure it's constitutional because congress rules on the issue of money, not the executive branch. so, i'm not sure the constitutionality of it. if you did abolish this debt ceiling, you would pretty soon get yourself a downgrade. these rating agencies would say, your debt is just running away. you're not credit worthy. >> megyn: the debt ceiling is in place, it doesn't seem they trust our lawmakers to live within their moneys and with the money. when you look at 16.4 trillion, they're right, we're not living in our means. and there's a question, stu, you see that number, i think of my kids and think of my children. who is going to pay that number? it's probably not going to be me. >> right. >>
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